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Post by Kook on Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:59 pm

Ive been thinking about changing to 4-3, meaning:

MLB Preston Brown to ROLB
https://daddyleagues.com/smleurope/player/11408908/attributes

3-4 DE Chris Jones to 4-3 DT:
https://daddyleagues.com/smleurope/player/11409324/attributes

OLB Tyrone Holmes to 4-3 DE:
https://daddyleagues.com/smleurope/player/11409108/attributes

OLB Emmanuel Ogbah to 4-3 DE:
https://daddyleagues.com/smleurope/player/11409039/attributes
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Re: Browns change to 4-3

Post by brza37 on Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:35 pm

@Kook wrote:Ive been thinking about changing to 4-3, meaning:

MLB Preston Brown to ROLB
https://daddyleagues.com/smleurope/player/11408908/attributes

3-4 DE Chris Jones to 4-3 DT:
https://daddyleagues.com/smleurope/player/11409324/attributes

OLB Tyrone Holmes to 4-3 DE:
https://daddyleagues.com/smleurope/player/11409108/attributes

OLB Emmanuel Ogbah to 4-3 DE:
https://daddyleagues.com/smleurope/player/11409039/attributes
I approve.

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Re: Browns change to 4-3

Post by LTown27ers on Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:23 pm

Ok

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Re: Browns change to 4-3

Post by Bishbosh1985 on Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:47 pm

Sorry guys, but the 2 3-4 OLB's are not 4-3 DE's. Ogbah's M17 stats have been dramatically improved by gaining XP as a pass rushing OLB - now he is over powered as a 4-3 DE with 98 PMV, FMV 88 and 90 BSH. Add his superior speed and he is far better than the best DE in the game. Also, his 63 ZCV is not 4-3 DE-esque.

Tyrone Holmes is not much different. His M17 stats were BSH 78 and FMV 82, he is now 89 and 97 - and like Ogbah superior speed.

Both of the above players have gained XP as OLB - it is simply wrong to allow them to play at DE in a 4-3.

This is the equivalent to letting CB's play safety.

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Re: Browns change to 4-3

Post by Kook on Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:12 pm

@Bishbosh1985 wrote:Sorry guys, but the 2 3-4 OLB's are not 4-3 DE's. Ogbah's M17 stats have been dramatically improved by gaining XP as a pass rushing OLB - now he is over powered as a 4-3 DE with 98 PMV, FMV 88 and 90 BSH. Add his superior speed and he is far better than the best DE in the game. Also, his 63 ZCV is not 4-3 DE-esque.

Tyrone Holmes is not much different. His M17 stats were BSH 78 and FMV 82, he is now 89 and 97 - and like Ogbah superior speed.

Both of the above players have gained XP as OLB - it is simply wrong to allow them to play at DE in a 4-3.

This is the equivalent to letting CB's play safety.

This is the first time I'm hearing about this being an issue. Make this true for all OLB switches to DE and I agree. Otherwise it's just not my fault they both made the Pro Bowl and were the focus of my development.
And to use 63 ZCV as an argument against being a DE: I think it's time you switch Charles Johnson and Kony Ealy to OLB then.
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Re: Browns change to 4-3

Post by Bishbosh1985 on Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:52 pm

Now now young Kook, not having a go at you here. 

As i see it there's nothing wrong with asking, but you see my point, right?

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Re: Browns change to 4-3

Post by Blitzburgh4891 on Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:07 pm

98 pmv and 97 fmv I think Ben's happy he retired
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Re: Browns change to 4-3

Post by Kook on Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:30 pm

@Bishbosh1985 wrote:Now now young Kook, not having a go at you here. 

As i see it there's nothing wrong with asking, but you see my point, right?
Yes, I see what you mean but you have to be consistent. 
OLB to DE switches have been allowed all last season, and just because I've played well with my players means I can't switch when others could?
The speed argument doesn't work either because there more than 15 Defensive ends in our league who are faster. 
Ogbah weighs 273 lbs, how's that not a Defensive End? He's just a freak of nature. 
Holmes has the same weight/strength combo as Khalil Mack. 
Either way, the zone coverage argument still doesn't work.
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Re: Browns change to 4-3

Post by brza37 on Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:37 pm

The position change rule says:
G9. Position Changes
All other instances will be evaluated if submitted but generally no position changes will be allowed that would put the player in the top 5 at any position specific or athletic rating for the new position. A player cannot be changed multiple times by one coach.

This rule was based on the fact that in past Madden's the XP cost for certain ratings differed depending on the player's position though. So for example, a person could upgrade PMV for cheaper at LB then switch his upgraded player to DE. In M17 this isn't the case anymore. All progression costs are position independent. The only variables are age and DEV rating. This article touches on it and there's also a calculator for XP upgrades:
http://www.deepdivegaming.com/all/2016/10/16/from-good-to-great-the-cost-of-developing-elite-players-in-madden-17

Because there is no difference in XP cost and the players were already top 2 at OLB I approved the switch.

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Re: Browns change to 4-3

Post by Bishbosh1985 on Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:36 pm

Surely the rule means you cannot move a guy to a new position and be top 5 in that new position? 

I say no because it seems wrong, simply put - and do not agree with this change because it means there will be an 'unnatural advantage' allowed. 

I assume this now depends on Warrior with 2-1 in favour? 
Wazza - you back from hols yet?

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Re: Browns change to 4-3

Post by warrior9674 on Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:26 pm

Brza does the rule about players moving position becoming top 5 no longer. Exist because of the new xp system?
Haven't looked at the above players becoming top 5 yet.


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Re: Browns change to 4-3

Post by warrior9674 on Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:15 pm

Agreed Kookiano,  you can switch players.

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